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Difference Between Personhood Bill and Dismemberment Bill

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Letter to the Editor
The Times Examiner, Greenville, SC
INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE VOICE OF THE PALMETTO STATE
Anne Schell, Greenville, SC
April 11, 2018

“Those standing behind the Personhood Bill are coming from a Biblical perspective …”
“Those of us who believe the Personhood Bill should be promoted do so because we believe God will honor His Word when His people step out in faith.”
Proverbs 24:11-12

 

Dear Editor,

Many may be confused (pastors included) about the differences between the Personhood Bill and the Dismemberment Bill being presented before the SC Senate – why one should take priority over the other.

One of the main differences is WHO is supporting each of the bills. Those standing behind the Personhood Bill are coming from a Biblical  perspective while those who represent the Dismemberment Bill (NRL – National Right to Life & SCCL – South Carolina Citizens for Life) are coming from a political perspective.

Some in the NRL may be Christians but almost all backing the Personhood Bill are primarily Bible-based Christians. Some in the NRL consider their ways, in my opinion, more “intellectual” than merely relying on God’s Word as a basis for action.

Those of us who believe the Personhood Bill should be promoted do so because we believe God will honor His Word when His people step out in faith. God honored Joshua and Caleb’s faith when the other spies thought they would fail if they confronted the “giants” in Canaan.

Abortion is the giant in our land today. But God is the same today as He was thousands of years ago. Let us be bold and confident in our Lord who will go before us if we proceed in faith.

Please, pray for the presentation and passage of the Personhood Bill (S217).

“If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth he not know it? and shall he render to every man according to his works?” Proverbs 24: 11-12

Anne Schell – Greenville, SC

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http://christianlifeandliberty.net/2018-04-22-Difference-Between-Personhood-Bill-and-Dismemberment-Bill-Letter-to-the-Editor-Times-Examiner-Apr-11-2018.pdf

(The Times Examiner) SC Legislature: Redefining How to Kill Babies

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Christians for Personhood ( CP )
Columbia, South Carolina
March 25, 2018

The Times Examiner ( Greenville, SC ), March 21, 2018:

INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE VOICE OF THE PALMETTO STATE

General Assembly: Redefining How to Kill Babies

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The Times Examiner, Greenville, SC
INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE VOICE OF THE PALMETTO STATE

‘General Assembly: Redefining How to Kill Babies’  [ three pages ]
March 21, 2018
http://christianlifeandliberty.net/2018-03-24-General-Assembly-Redefining-How-to-Kill-Babies-Times-Examiner-Mar-21-2018.pdf

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Excerpts:

[ SC House Rep. Linda ] Bennett, the bill’s sponsor, was reported in The State saying her bill [ H.3548 ] would not stop physicians from performing the procedure [ dismemberment ].  It would, however,  require doctors to kill the fetus before it is removed, she said.  [ emphasis, hyperlink to The State added ]

“All this bill does is require them to euthanize the baby before they rip it apart in the mother’s womb,”
Bennett said.  [ emphasis added ]

“I don’t like that we even do this procedure,” the Charleston Republican said.  “But if we can at least make it more humane, less painful, to the unborn child … I want to remove as much pain as I possibly can.” [ emphasis added ]  [ CP Note: The preborn child is still exterminated.  Proverb 12:10b, KJV ]

Will the Senate Republican Leadership leapfrog the incremental abortion regulation dismemberment bill (H3548) over the Personhood Bill (S217) and promote giving Special Order status to H3548 ahead of S217?

The State article exposes more of the depraved nature of the bill where sponsor Representative Linda Bennett of the dismemberment bill discusses the “humaneness” of the bill because it requires euthanizing of the baby, inside the womb, BEFORE he or she can be dismembered… Ponder on that for more than a moment…  This is a result of National Right to Life and their SC chapter, SC Citizens for Life‘s ability to dilute the idea of what it means to be “pro-life.”  [ emphasis added ]

Somehow, in this godless universe, lawmakers and pastors have rationalized incrementally regulating murder. If the “process,” the ripping apart of a human child from the womb, is sanitized, then it is acceptable to these same lawmakers and pastors to murder the child.  It is truly the time of calling evil, good and good, evil; putting darkness for light and light for darkness; bitter for sweet and sweet bitter.  (Isaiah 5:20)  Lawmakers, pastors and pseudo pro-life organizations are continuing in a dedicated battle to keep murder, legal.  [ emphasis added ]

SC Senate Leadership, specifically Leatherman (R-Florence) and Massey (R-Edgefield) once again, did not move for Special Order for S217 on March 14, 2018.  Senate President Pro Tem Leatherman moved for closing the Motion [P]eriod  which is the place on the Senate calendar when Senator Massey could have moved for a 2/3rds floor vote Special Order despite the apparent obstruction of Leatherman, Campsen (R-Charleston) and Reese (D-Inman) on Massey’s Rules Committee but, Massey did not so move.”  [ CP Note: By Leatherman moving to close the Motion Period, and by the Republican-majority body of Senators in the chamber then going along with Leatherman’s motion, neither Massey nor any other Senator is able to make a motion during the Motion Period.  However, if the Republican-majority body of Senators would by a simple majority vote object to Leatherman’s motion, then Senator Massey OR ANY OTHER SENATOR could move for Special Order for S217.  This has not been done NOT because it cannot be done procedurally, but because the Republican-majority Senate has NOT WILLED it to be done. ]

This country’s intentionally misdirected attention to gun issues distracts from this moral dilemma being experienced as the country moves further from being virtuous and righteous: requirements recognized more than 200 years ago by the framers as being essential to maintaining freedom and liberty.  [ emphasis added ]

The legal pretexts for the ongoing slaughter inside the womb where the most innocent reside without due process of law or equal protection of the laws is directly connected to the horrific violence occurring outside the womb where by extension: why would anyone expect life to be respected?

Hosea 4:6:  My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:  because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
[ emphasis added, Hosea 4:6, KJV ]

Those who wish to appear pro-life are using their very visible votes for dismemberment to portray themselves as being humane yet there will still be dead children whose lives are being sacrificed to insulate those who legislate incremental murder from having to take a principled stand against bad law. [ emphasis added ]

The Supreme Court opinions are not synonymous with the U.S. Constitution and Judicial Supremacy is not god.
When is the General Assembly going to recognize that supporting a pretended good is defeating what is best?
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Matthew, Mark and Luke all share this reminder that it is better for a millstone to be hanged about one’s neck and be cast into the sea [than] that one should offend one of the little ones… It could be supposed that murder might be considered somewhat offensive, terrifying, frightening, and permanent.  Incremental murder is no less offensiveMutilation is offensive. This State’s debate on what the right way to kill a child is, is… offensive.  This has to stop.  [ emphasis added ]

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From Christians for Personhood:

The SC Personhood Bill S.217 is competing with the “Dismemberment Bill” H.3548 for the attention of the SC Senate for being set for Special Order and actually getting debated on the floor of the Senate.

Christians, please contact SC Republican Senators, and SC Democrat Senators Jackson, Reese, and Williams, and ask them to support setting S.217 Personhood Bill for Special Order FIRST, immediately, before considering H.3548 “Dismemberment bill” for Special Order.

The April 10 “cross over” date under regular order for bills to be sent from the Senate to the House ( or from the House to the Senate ) may be just four legislative working days away ( March 27, 28, 29; April 10 ) if the SC Senate takes a week off the first week in April ( April 3, 4, 5 ).

Contact info for all SC Senators at: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/, click on ‘Senators

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Christians for Personhood SC Senate Lobbying Memo
March 14, 2018 – Re: S217 Personhood Act of SC
The Son of God, “Jesus said, Thou shalt do not murder, …” Matthew 19:18, KJV / “Abortion” is Murder.
ALL Human Beings are Persons.  Fear God.  Proverb 1:7   Proverb 8:13   Proverb 9:10   Proverb 16:6b, KJV
Obey your Oath, So Help you God, to Establish Justice.  PASS PERSONHOOD NOW!

(Photo)
‘I AM A PERSON’ – 7 weeks from conception
 and “How To Receive Salvation of the Spirit”
http://christianlifeandliberty.net/2018-03-12-I-AM-A-PERSON-7-weeks-from-conception.pdf

(The State) Personhood Bill vs. Dismemberment Bill

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Christians for Personhood ( CP )
Columbia, South Carolina
March 18, 2018

The State ( Columbia, SC ), March 16, 2018 ( online) / March 18, 2018 (print):

Personhood Bill vs. Dismemberment Bill

‘With 2 options in SC Legislature, activists split on best way to stop abortion’
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article205294704.html
March 16, 2018
Updated March 18, 2018

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From Christians for Personhood:

Personhood Bill vs. Dismemberment Bill

In order listed in the online article in The State:

1) Holly Gatling, SC Citizens for Life (SC chapter of National Right to Life): lobbying for “dismemberment bill” / H.3548;

2) Steve Lefemine, Christians for Personhood: lobbying for Personhood bill / S.217; opposes H.3548;

3) Dr Oran Smith (PhD), Palmetto Family Council: opposes Personhood bill / S.217; supports incremental bills regulating child-murder / e.g., H.3548;

4) Dr Matthew Clark (MD), Personhood SC, lobbying for Personhood bill / S.217

The SC Personhood Bill S.217 is competing with the “Dismemberment Bill” H.3548 for the attention of the SC Senate for Special Order and actually getting debated on the floor of the Senate.

Christians, please contact SC Republican Senators, and SC Democrat Senators Jackson, Reese, and Williams, and ask them to support setting S.217 Personhood Bill for Special Order FIRST, before the H.3548 “Dismemberment bill” gets set for Special Order.

Contact info for all SC Senators at: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/, click on ‘Senators

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(Photo)
‘I AM A PERSON’ – 7 weeks from conception
 and “How To Receive Salvation of the Spirit”
http://christianlifeandliberty.net/2018-03-12-I-AM-A-PERSON-7-weeks-from-conception.pdf

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The State ( Columbia, SC )

With 2 options in SC Legislature, activists split on best way to stop abortion
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article205294704.html
March 16, 2018
Updated March 18, 2018

[ CP: Correction, comments, added, portion omitted ]

To hear what abortion rights [ CP: sic ] supporters have to say about South Carolina’s abortion bills, read this.

Pro-life activists are optimistic that new abortion restrictions will become law in South Carolina this year.

But with not one but two pieces of legislation that could restrict abortion options ­ or potentially ban the procedure completely ­ opponents of abortion have to decide just how far they think the Palmetto State is willing to go.

Supporters of a ban on so-called “dismemberment” abortions say that measure offers a chance to eliminate a “gruesome” procedure with legislation that will hold up in court.

But some supporters of a so-called “personhood” bill say that proposal offers a more comprehensive measure that would open the door to banning all abortions ­ something even some pro-life activists see as a long shot.

Both measures are headed to the floor of the state Senate but face obstacles to becoming law, not the least of which is that the legislative session wraps for the year in mid-May.

Supporters are optimistic the dismemberment ban could become law, especially after it passed the S.C. House by a wide margin last year.

“This is very similar to the partial-birth abortion ban,” said Holly Gatling with S.C. Citizens for Life, referring to another abortion restriction that survived a court challenge. “That’s why we believe it will be upheld. … It doesn’t regulate women. It regulates the abortion industry.”

Gatling said the ban would end a “barbaric, inhumane procedure” ­ a procedure that doctors call “dilation and evacuation.” The procedure involves removing a fetus “one piece at a time from the uterus,” using instruments to “slice, crush, and/or grasp a portion of the unborn child’s body to cut or rip it off,” according to the language of the bill.

Pro-choice [ CP: sic – Pro-“abortion” ] opponents of the bill say the procedure is the safest and most common form of second-trimester abortion.

But some abortion opponents think the dismemberment bill doesn’t go far enough. Steve Lefemine with Christians for Personhood doesn’t see the virtue in preferring one method of ending a pregnancy to another.

“It would be like a German parliamentarian in the ’40s  regulating the Zyklon B in the (concentration camp) showers,” Lefemine said. “The [ CP: Sixth ] [C]ommandment says, ‘[T]hou shalt not kill,’ not ‘thou shall incrementally limit murder.'”

A personhood bill legally would define an embryo as a person from the moment of conception, with all the rights that go along with it. However, since that would go against the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade, critics worry a personhood bill would face a long and costly legal challenge that the state ultimately could lose.

“It could be stayed through a long legal battle,” said Oran Smith with the Palmetto Family Council, which supports the dismemberment bill. “The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals is not the Strom Thurmond-Jesse Helms circuit any more. There are a lot of Obama appointments on the court.”

Some make the same case against the dismemberment ban.

Smith says his organization’s philosophy always has been to “chip away at abortions in the state.”

Matthew Clark with Personhood S.C. is confident the GOP-controlled Legislature can advance the personhood bill into law this year. However, the bill has yet to pass the House and the Senate.

“The purpose is to recognize the God-given, inalienable right to life for every human being,” Clark said. “No one is safe if the government determines who does and doesn’t have rights.”

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